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Restricting Access To The Rides List

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Ian Woodall    705
Ian Woodall
2 hours ago, Paul Needham said:

 bills right, umpteen posts back it says that you need to ask even if you were/are a contributor because they need to make it accessible sort of by hand as the software  wont just do it automatically , of course david if your point was a matter of principle rather than speaking for yourself then I realise this wont help you,

I'm not aware the NFA still have the lists? all that excellent work by ian trowel et al gone to waste for the most ludicrous of reasons, 

I cant see why people cant put content on here and facebook too, don't you have to click about all over to see all the content? on facebook, whereas on here its all in one place and well run and overseen?

 

At the time they deleted them, i had the ark and waltzer list which Bill copied, the lists are still on the web archive.

 

waltzer and ark list is here...

 

 

 

other lists are here.....

 

 

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Rob Anglesea    34
Rob Anglesea

Hi can anyone help from some reason I don’t have permission to view the rides list anymore?

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Ian Davies    595
Ian Davies

i got the same message....what hav we done wrong, wanted to look at Quasers thats all....

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Paul Needham    1,020
Paul Needham

respectfully suggest you look at all of the posts  on the above subject re looking at the list as started originally by bill to get a full measure of this

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Paul Needham    1,020
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thanks for that, the last time I looked they were just lists and not all the pictures, so, even more reason for wanting to pay to see them given they aren't elsewhere?

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Happy Showman    163
Happy Showman

I can look at all parts of the forum

but not the rides list 

saying I don't have permission 

 

any ideas ?

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Roger Peatman    3,414
Roger Peatman
28 minutes ago, Happy Showman said:

I can look at all parts of the forum

but not the rides list 

saying I don't have permission 

 

any ideas ?

 

If you have previously contributed to either the rides list or the reports forum, you can pm Bill or Jamie and they will grant you the necessary permission to access the rides list.

Alternatively, you can subscribe to become a forum supporter and get automatic access.

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Marc Burgers    8,531
Marc Burgers

I understand a forum can be cost lots of money.

But... Is this the way to get the bills payed? I dont think so... but fine.

Im feeling like people with other nationalities are not welcome anymore on the rides list.

And i love to discover your UK rides and Funfairs.

 

Sorry im feeling bad and dissapointed.....

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Bill Edwards    12,287
Bill Edwards
16 minutes ago, Marc Burgers said:

I understand a forum can be cost lots of money.

But... Is this the way to get the bills payed? I dont think so... but fine.

Im feeling like people with other nationalities are not welcome anymore on the rides list.

And i love to discover your UK rides and Funfairs.

 

Sorry im feeling bad and dissapointed.....

 

You've obviously an idea of how else we can finance the forum. Please share so we can discuss and implement if it's a workable idea. This wasn't a course of action we took lightly, but was felt necessary to ensure the future availability of the forum. 

 

It has nothing to do with where you are from and frankly I'm insulted by the suggestion. The rides list is available to those who have contributed towards it, submit reports or support the forum financially, which is as little as £5 a year. 

 

If you don't fit the criteria and aren't willing to part with £5 - the forum isnt even worth that -  then I too am disappointed! 

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Ian Cant    1,771
Ian Cant

A respectful thought to both Marc and Bill’s coments. I’m wondering if some flexibility could be considered in this type of situation.

 

For someone in Marcs position it would be very difficult to contribute to either the reports or rides list with him living in another country. 

 

However Marc’s contribution to the quality and volume of European photos on the forum could be recognised in this instance. 😁

 

On another note it does surprise me that people don’t even have a quick scan read of the topic before asking questions. It’s only two pages! 😜

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Ian Giles    14
Ian Giles

I've enjoyed using and browsing  this forum and occasionally contributing to it over the last few years.

I have also meant to contribute to it but never done so- this topic was a good reminder that I need to do so.

My immediate problem is with PayPal and issues I have using them to pay for anything (passwords and such dull things-they can be very unhelpful).

As soon as I can sort this another supporter will on side-there is not any other resource on the net such as this.

Best, ian

 

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Ross Slaughter    81
Ross Slaughter

I will be paying as its the best section of all the fun of the fair in my opinion very well run & contributes to a forum that i always use just waiting for pay day as santa has cleaned me out haha

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Marc Burgers    8,531
Marc Burgers
On 17-1-2018 at 22:45, Bill Edwards said:

 

You've obviously an idea of how else we can finance the forum. Please share so we can discuss and implement if it's a workable idea. This wasn't a course of action we took lightly, but was felt necessary to ensure the future availability of the forum. 

 

It has nothing to do with where you are from and frankly I'm insulted by the suggestion. The rides list is available to those who have contributed towards it, submit reports or support the forum financially, which is as little as £5 a year. 

 

If you don't fit the criteria and aren't willing to part with £5 - the forum isnt even worth that -  then I too am disappointed! 

Send you a message.

I dont want to discuss this in a public threat

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Ian Giles    14
Ian Giles

Now sorted my Paypal issue out and contribution made.

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Paul Needham    1,020
Paul Needham

here here well said, 

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Nick Attwell    150
Nick Attwell
On ‎14‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 15:01, Gary Witcomb said:

 

 

so as far as i'm concerned if you want the ride listing PAY UP!! or _ _ _ _  _ _

 

............shut up lol

 

Seriously though; even if you don't have an online payment platform such as PayPal, Bill has added the option to send a cheque to his own street address. This practice breaks the golden internet rule "What's online stays online" for obvious reasons

 

Talking of which, I was once forced into a corner, without any other choice but to break this rule

 

That's how my partner & I met

 

Anyway back to topic

 

The minimum paid membership is a fiver annually, so you could look at it as buying Bill an annual thank-you pint of beer (or a drink of his choice)

 

Just realised; the gold & platinum membership fee's really only apply to fair/showmen, who wish to advertise sale of fair rides; for example.

 

So for all us fair ride geeks, like me, a fiver is a drop in the ocean; a drink for Bill :)

 

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David L    454
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10 hours ago, Simon Deery said:

It is really disappointing reading some of the comments on this topic. Bill and his team have built what I feel is a fantastic central resource and there is nothing else that comes close.

I personally cannot stand Facebook and all the false drama, rows and fake news that comes with it. For that reason I never have and never will be a member. 

For those that feel they can gain the information they need free of charge there, please carry on and do what you feel is right. I respect people have different preferences but what bugs me is when people post so much on Facebook and moan that this site has less content added than it did a while ago. Have Facebook if you must but if you are a member here then support this site as well.

For me the forum is worth every penny and the reasons for that are not just the valuable information, photos, reports and archives but the fact that there are ground rules to protect the integrity of what is here and our reputation. We don't deal in rumours, are encouraged to be respectful, not to start arguments, not to discuss inappropriate matters and we have a vision to foster good relations with showmen and generally promote the fairground industry. This is the sort of enthusiast platform I personally would wish to be associated with rather than an unmoderated free for all such as Facebook. I also like to know that when I read that showmen X has sold his Waltzer to Showmen Y I can be assured that what I am reading is correct.

Whilst I am aware that contributing to reports will award access to the rides list, I am also aware that I contribute a small amount of reports per year. For that reason and those listed above, I am happy to contribute financially and I also feel that my money buys me a lot of enjoyment viewing the site.

Whilst I respect that it is an individual choice where to spend money, look at it this way, I spend money each year on a World's Fair subscription, FAGB membership, photo printing of the various fairs I visit, petrol costs driving to said fairs, numerous purchases on models and bits to build the models, new fairground book publications that interest me, DVD's the list goes on. So a little extra to help out the forum is not unreasonable.

One major thing I forgot to add is as an enthusiast I spend a lot of money whilst actually at the fairs I visit and always make a point of supporting stalls and kiosks whilst there. So if you are trying to decide whether to part with some cash for the forum think of it like spending money on a few rides at the fair but you get to have that enjoyment for twelve whole months. 

 

 

 

 

I have to assume it's my comments that have really disappointed you but there really is no need to cry about it, you haven't grasped where I was coming from really. Not at any point did I state that facebook was the place to be because the information was better, nor did I say the information present on the forum was available on facebook for free in fact I said just the opposite, I said that facebook had some excellent stuff posted that you don't find on the forum, this quite obviously applies the other way around also. Fair do's, if false rumours is your bag its the place to be but I have no interest in that, as I clearly stated I was talking from the perspective of photography and I stand by it, there are some absolutely phenomenal photo's on the facebook groups from some of the real heavy weight enthusiasts in our hobby and you don't see them here on the forum, it's a fact, as you say, you aren't a member so you wouldn't know and take my word for it its must have resource, the good stuff far outweighs the drama and he says she says. 

Secondly, as somebody who has used this forum since 1999 It's plain to see it's been hit hard by facebook, the quality of posts hasn't deteriorated but the amount of traffic has and its sad to be honest but it's a fact, it's not even relevant really, just a simple observation

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Martin Valt    2
Martin Valt

I would be delighted to pay a fiver or whatever per annum.

 

However, no-one has ever asked me to!

 

Apologies if I'm missing anything obvious.

 

 

Martin

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Roger Peatman    3,414
Roger Peatman
3 minutes ago, Martin Valt said:

I would be delighted to pay a fiver or whatever per annum.

 

However, no-one has ever asked me to!

 

Apologies if I'm missing anything obvious.

 

 

Martin

 

Easily sorted Martin.

http://www.fun-fairs.co.uk/support-how-to/

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Simon Deery    1,339
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20 hours ago, David L said:

 

I have to assume it's my comments that have really disappointed you but there really is no need to cry about it, you haven't grasped where I was coming from really. Not at any point did I state that facebook was the place to be because the information was better, nor did I say the information present on the forum was available on facebook for free in fact I said just the opposite, I said that facebook had some excellent stuff posted that you don't find on the forum, this quite obviously applies the other way around also. Fair do's, if false rumours is your bag its the place to be but I have no interest in that, as I clearly stated I was talking from the perspective of photography and I stand by it, there are some absolutely phenomenal photo's on the facebook groups from some of the real heavy weight enthusiasts in our hobby and you don't see them here on the forum, it's a fact, as you say, you aren't a member so you wouldn't know and take my word for it its must have resource, the good stuff far outweighs the drama and he says she says. 

Secondly, as somebody who has used this forum since 1999 It's plain to see it's been hit hard by facebook, the quality of posts hasn't deteriorated but the amount of traffic has and its sad to be honest but it's a fact, it's not even relevant really, just a simple observation

I was stating my personal views on the matter in general whilst also stating that although Facebook is not something that appeals to me personally, I do respect that for some it does appeal to them. 

I also did not "cry" about anything but was simply trying to state my own reasons for supporting the forum and hopefully encourage others to consider it. However, I did also point out that each of us has a choice on how we spend our own money and that is something which I also respect.

 

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Tim Madgett    66
Tim Madgett

Hi everyone,i do sometimes contribute,and  i have spoke with Bill today,pretty please can i have acsess to rides list now kind sirs!x

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Nick Attwell    150
Nick Attwell

"If you don't fit the criteria and aren't willing to part with £5 - the forum isn't even worth that -  then I too am disappointed!"

 

My sentiments exactly Bill

 

You must surely wonder Bill, why you bother to provide, out of your own pocket, such an awesome font (forum) of fair ground/circus knowledge

 

Perhaps if you were to restrict more than the ride list Bill; that would filter out the ingrat's

 

Oh; and also for those ingrat's, time limited membership of say a few months might be an idea

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ron Wood    2,076
Ron Wood

Looking on the bright side you have got another 35 members recruited only another 4713 members to go. Come on Lads where else are you going to get all the information whats stored on this Site.

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Gary Witcomb    17,155
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18 minutes ago, Ron Wood said:

Looking on the bright side you have got another 35 members recruited only another 4713 members to go. Come on Lads where else are you going to get all the information whats stored on this Site.

Exactly for £5

 

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